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Researchers develop inexpensive, easy process to produce solar panels
This is awesome. Can't wait to get my printer to start printing my very own.....:D
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Even with less than 1% efficiency this could completely change solar...:bear_w00t:
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This is great! Paint your roof, aqny south facing walls, your car, and generate power. My favorite night storage remains compressed air because it is simple and long lasting and does not require all the toxicity of battery storage. Though storage as heat in water that then powers a stirling engine powered generator at night would be good too.
The ideas are there and we have bozo wanting to burn corn. We gotta get rid of these clowns. |
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If it sounds too good to be true, it is.
Now that I have that wet-blanket disclaimer out of the way, I hope this is the good news it seems to be. I also hope that the energy required to produce, maintain, and dispose of these suckers isn't prohibitive. Small-scale distributed geothermal is already in use, and could make a huge contribution to home heating and cooling. At even 50 feet below the ground, the temperature is constant at around 50 degrees, which means you can exploit the difference with the surface temperature to perform heating or cooling with a relatively modest compressor. I worked in an office complex with such a system installed. One winter we had a harsh two weeks of cold, and the heating couldn't keep us warm enough: it was working, but only enough to keep us in the mid-60s indoors. It turned out that the gas boiler hadn't been used in two years, so the utility company had assumed it was disconnected and turned off the tap. Two years of winter heating without using the boiler. BTW: I'm not attempting a thread-jack here. Just rambling. |
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Didn't some article like this come out about a year ago? I still had to pay over $5 a watt for my panels. Don't hold your breath.
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I liked it up to the word "nano." Nano is another word for carcinogen, my concern is that this would be abspestos all over again.
News of the weird: some Morgellons suffers have associated their ailment with proximity to nano materials research. |
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Finally we're seeing the benefits of fullerenes and carbon nanotubes. I hope it's legitimate technology.
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Yep....I agree, hoarder......seen several of these articles over the last several years.......and yet, to date, not one single marketed application of any of them. Either some power company is buying up the technology, or there a lot of horse manure in the solar biz........and I'm starting to think it's that last one. I paid over 5 bucks a watt for mine too. These pipe dreams MAY come to pass one day, but we may not have until that day. I'll take the bird in hand, even if a more expensive bird. |
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Andy,
Another angle; if someone wanted to take a big position in solar companies what better way than to do "puts" on PV manufacturers just before releasing these articles? Beat em down, make a fortune on derivatives, then buy 'em cheap! Making money is easy! Wall Street is fun! |
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Stories like this remind me of the "superweapons" the Nazi propagandists claimed they were developing at the close of WWII. Expect more and more of these supposed energy breakthroughs as the US dollar continues to fall and energy costs continue to increase.
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I'll wait to see the manufactured products spec sheet. Right now this is just a University experiment looking for more money. Carbon nano-tubes can do lots of very neat things, things that do not generally make it to consumer product because because carbon nano-tubes are so f***ing expensive. __________________________________________________ _ Separate item, here is an image of gold nanotubes! http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/ima..._nanotubes.jpg http://www.primidi.com/2004/01/27.html |
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It seems like every year I am hearing about some research group promising a great cheap way to produce solar power and revolutionize the industry and.... nothing has changed...
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Re: I've been watching this company very close www.nanosolar.com
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http://www.doomerporn.com/polestar/w.../nanosolar.jpgI’ve heard cornucopians talk for a long time about the dream of a mainly solar powered (or any RE/nuclear) society. I label these people “technofixers”, as they believe technology will save us from a collapse. Which is fine, we have slow crashers, hard crashers and technofixers. It’s like a typical strategy game with 3 sides, the problem is the “crashers” have units which can wipe the floor with the technofixers. So they sit around looking like the duds they are in hope that tomorrow when they refresh “energynews.com” they will see the “fix” and then win the game. Now the “nanosolar” company is the recent hope, with companies like Google and IBM getting involved it must be serious… right? Well you see the problem with nanosolar is one ingredient they need in their panels, indium. Indium is a pretty rare element at about 0.1 parts per million, and 5 years ago it wasn’t even that expensive at about $90/kg. With the advent of LCD monitors and TVs (among many other things) the demand for indium has skyrocketed, reaching a peak of about $1000/kg, and currently sitting at around $700/kg. The worldwide production of indium is around 400 tonnes, give or take a few tonnes, it’s really quite small. Now I was relatively quiet on nanosolar or any CIGS based solar technology because I never had a stat on how much indium they actually used. I thought it was probably very small, why would everyone jump aboard this stuff if it was doomed to failure? So when I found out that per MEGAWATT of panel produced, nanosolar used 20kg of indium I jumped out of my seat. The reason this is an issue, is because we only produce 400 tonnes of indium per year, and if we devoted all indium production to panel production we could achieve 20GW/year of panels. Not bad, but considering we are currently using around 4000GW, it will take about 20 years of indium supply to replace only 10% of our CURRENT usage, forget any growth, forget new TVs and monitors. http://www.doomerporn.com/polestar/w.../icon_wink.gif Now that’s not to say we can’t increase indium production. I mean, with a very big increase in price, on the order of $3000-$5000/kg , we could probably raise indium production up to 1000 tonnes a year (I’m being very forgiving to cornucopians here) so it would only take about 8-10 years then to replace 10% of current usage, and we’d still have to go without TVs and whatever else used indium. But hey, I’m sure we can fill deserts with these things and provide enough power to fly to Jupiter, after all 100TW hits the earth every second or something right? http://www.doomerporn.com/polestar/w.../icon_wink.gif http://www.doomerporn.com/polestar/?p=52 |
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DAMN Keehah, way to poop on my parade.
Looks like wind turbines and standard silicon panels will be the standard for a while. |
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What colour will the solar paint be, and how soon will by-laws outlaw that horribly ugly colour from appearing on anyone's house and reducing the property values?
Actually, it is probably a dark non-shiny colour, so we should not allow cars to be painted with it either, or they could run over our kids at night. |
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Right now anything that actually sets families free of the pay the Central Authority every month gets no backing, and sometimes active interference.
If any new tech gets going I am sad to say it will likely be somewhere that escapes control by the ones who want a new feudalism. That means unless we get America shaped up, we will have to import it, if it is even allowed in. Like the crushing of the great electric cars was a sample of, the powers in the USA want us to burn oil if it kills us and pay them for every calorie, watt and drop of water once a month. |
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